Monday, April 30, 2007

British newspaper inadvertently makes remark which might possibly arouse a slight suspicion of unconscious and quite unintentional xenophobia


A British Newspaper today published an interesting "human interest" story which mentioned the fact that some British Muslims have 'courts' which adjudicate on religious matters and act as arbitrators in civil matters. This is a perfectly valid news story as English people are always interested in learning about each other's customs and ways of life.

Unfortunately, the use of term 'sharia' might possibly have given some readers the impression that what we were talking about was a system of criminal justice running in parallel with or as an alternative to the British laws -- which is, of course, absurd.

However, no-one could possibly suppose that a newspaper whose emblem is a crusader could be interested in anything other than promoting Muslim / Christian understanding, and I am sure that no-one would want to blame a journalist if one of his readers misunderstood his story:



"I have lived through wars and hard times, yet never have I felt so strongly that Britain is under seige (sic).We pat ourselves on the back and try to kid ourselves that we are a wonderful example of racial tollerance (sic) and equality! The truth is of course the majority of Britains Anglo Saxons are fed up to the teeth with the constant inflow of immigrants and their disrespect for our laws and culture once they arrive."

"What is wrong with the people of Britain, when are they going to wake up and see that we are slowly being invaded by these people."

"This can not be allowed.!!, once areas in this country start to have their own Islamic centre courts based on race they will become expanding no go areas to other ethnic people, it’s another downward step and path into chaos for this England. It does not surprise me though because this country is full of capitalistic and religious Shiite-Hawks, Arse wholes (sic) and Scum bags...."

"Enoch once warned of White Flight and rivers of Blood allow this scum to enforce thier (sic) tyranical (sic) values in the UK and the rivers will flow white flight is common.Sharia law to allow wife beaters, paedophiles whilst any muslim integrating as they should would be attacked threatened and abused into compliance with terrorists.."



5 comments:

Pete Ashton said...

I saw a white chap buying this (along with a Mail and Times) in a news-agent today from a brown chap who was probably Muslim. It occurred to me that most of the sales outlets for this racist rag are not, shall we say, the Christian persuasion.

One observation might be that it's somewhat amazing that such transactions go on without comment.

Another might be that The Express, through the discount on sales given to news-agents, is financially supporting these "invaders".

Phil Masters said...

I saw a white chap buying this (along with a Mail and Times) in a news-agent today from a brown chap who was probably Muslim.

Any particular reason for that assumption? It's just that I get the impression that quite a lot of the brown people running small businesses in this country are actually Hindu. But I don't have any figures or anything.

It occurred to me that most of the sales outlets for this racist rag are not, shall we say, the Christian persuasion.

Does WH Smith's have a declared religious affiliation?

Jallan said...

"Unfortunately, the use of term 'sharia' might possibly have given some readers the

impression that what we were talking about was a system of criminal justice running in

parallel with or as an alternative to the British laws -- which is, of course, absurd."

Perhaps not so absurd.

In the province of Ontario, Canada, the provincial government, claiming to believe in

toleration of religious traditions, was increasingly allowing religious courts to

pronounce binding decisions when those going before such courts previously agreed to

accept the decisions of the court. Essentially, if you and your opponent agreed to have

a case heard according to traditional Jewish law in a traditional Jewish court, then you

would be bound to abide by its decisions by the laws of Ontario.

Then some Muslims began asking for Shariah-based tribunals similar to Jewish and

Catholic arbitration bodies. Other Muslims protested this, pointing out that some of

those who claimed to accept the judgments of such courts might be acting from societal

pressure, and that this was probably also true in respect to Jewish and Catholic

arbitration bodies. In any case, there was little to be gained by the government of

Ontario in attempting to defend a legal system which ordains the cutting off of a hand

for theft or otherwise enforces behavior and punishment not in agreement with general

Ontario law.

Accordingly, on September 11, 2005, Premier Dalton McGuinty of Ontario said Ontario will

reject the use of Shariah law and will move to prohibit all religious-based tribunals to

settle family disputes such as divorce.

In fact, Bill 27, which resulted from this, allows family mediation and arbitration

agreements domestic contracts to be organized by religious-based tribunals, but any such

agreements and contracts must agree with the province's Family Law Act.

There is debate on what exactly this means, other than allowing anyon disputants in

family a problem to have their case ruled on by any body at all, and then expect the

results to be possibly agreed to be a provincial court.

The is also admission by many that in the original debate almost no-one was actually asking for full implementation of the Shariah legal system.

Pete Ashton said...

"Any particular reason for that assumption?"

Predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham. I did say "probably".

"Does WH Smith's have a declared religious affiliation?"

Fair cop.

nickpheas said...

"Perhaps not so absurd.

In the province of Ontario, Canada, the provincial government, claiming to believe in..."

I think this misses the point that the fascist Daily Express so enthusiastically seeks to obscure.

There has been a C of E Church law since... pretty much as long as there's been a C of E. There are definitely Jewish courts, which only make the news when they're doing things like putting up little ribbons which means the ultra-orthodox can pretend all of Golders Green is inside the home and therefore people can 'work' on the Sabbath.

But the fascists are not interested in a legitimate story about how sometimes decisions that should be taken by the state are being subordinated to people with undoubted faith but limited legal knowledge. That would be too complicated.

They just want a story about how filthy muslims are taking over the country. A story about how immigrants are integrating with British Society and blending their customs with the way people who immigrated before them have long does things wouldn't rouse the rabble.