Thursday, July 08, 2010

I disagree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it.

Except in this case...

Is it even legal to print this kind of shit?



All creeds and kinds and colours of us our blending
Til I suppose ten million years from now we'll all look just the same
Same colour, same size, all of us workin' together
And maybe we'll have all the fascists out of the way by then.
Maybe so....
Woody Guthrie

14 comments:

Cambrensis said...

All creeds and kinds and colours of us our blending
Til I suppose ten million years from now we'll all look just the same
Same colour, same size, all of us workin' together
And maybe we'll have all the fascists out of the way by then.


Wow. Never has fascism sounded so attractive.

Andrew Rilstone said...

Bit of deconstruction there....

Cambrensis said...

Deconstruction cuts both ways.

Rosemary Cottage said...

Well, in fairness (well, okay, not fairness, I mean, I don't particularly want to be fair to the Express) the Express was pretty much printing what the judge said (the stuff about Kylie concerts etc) but the first part of the headline:

"Now asylum if you're gay" made me a little surprised because I thought (assumed, I suppose) that we'd offered asylum to people who were in danger for being G or L or possibly B? (I do hope we also offer asylum to people who are in danger for being the T that is so often just tacked onto the end of the GLBT sandwich).

But yeah, the whole article was just full of fail really. Hadn't seen the second one but urgh.

Rosemary Cottage said...

sorry should say

"we already offered asylum..."

Some bloke on the internet said...

I've not read the article in the paper but I wonder if people can now claim Asylum from America? Sorry if this is a bit low brow but I watched an episode of Top Gear where a great gag was to paint the presenters cars with slogans along the lines of "I'm gay" and then drove into red neck country. Their lives were certainly in danger!

Andrew Rilstone said...
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Andrew Rilstone said...

What Mr Judge actually said was:

In short, what is protected is the applicant’s right to live freely and openly as a gay man. That involves a wide spectrum of conduct, going well beyond conduct designed to attract sexual partners and maintain relationships with them. To
illustrate the point with trivial stereotypical examples from British society: just as male heterosexuals are free to enjoy themselves playing rugby, drinking beer and talking about girls with their mates, so male homosexuals are to be free to enjoy themselves going to Kylie concerts, drinking exotically coloured cocktails and
talking about boys with their straight female mates. Mutatis mutandis – and in many cases the adaptations would obviously be great – the same must apply to other societies. In other words, gay men are to be as free as their straight equivalents in the society concerned to live their lives in the way that is natural to them as gay men, without the fear of persecution.

gtk123 said...

I give you today's headline: "One in five Britons will be ethnics"

Gavin Burrows said...

A bit more context than the Judge's comments may be useful for anyone who hasn't already heard this story.

The British Government's argument was that these guys could evade the homophobic regimes they lived under by getting back in the closet and masquerading as straights. Only if they were ever caught out to be living this lie would they be persecuted!

...which is pretty much par for the course. Right up to the invasion of Iraq, refugees were being sent back because they'd had the temerity to become involved in the anti-Saddam resistance. (Yep, resistance to a Dictator it was okay to bomb a whole country to oust!)

Meanwhile other Iraqis, who had no such connections to the resistance, were being told they couldn't have been persecuted because there was no reason for the regime to do so!

Maybe Joseph Heller had a hand in British asylum policy...

Andrew Stevens said...

I've not read the article in the paper but I wonder if people can now claim Asylum from America? Sorry if this is a bit low brow but I watched an episode of Top Gear where a great gag was to paint the presenters cars with slogans along the lines of "I'm gay" and then drove into red neck country. Their lives were certainly in danger!

So I watched that episode. I was most struck by the over-the-top anti-Southern bigotry of the Top Gear crew, actually. (If they were describing black people instead of Southern Americans, they'd have likely been put on trial shortly thereafter.)

Moreover, it was clear what annoyed the few people who did chase them off. For one thing, the cars didn't just proclaim homosexuality, but also said things like "NASCAR sucks" and "Country and Western is rubbish." The manager of the gas station comes out and is clearly offended, not by the homosexuality, but by the bigotry. Her line: "Are you all gay looking to find out how long it takes to get beat up in a hick town?" It was also very clear that the people who "threatened their lives" were in fact making no attempt to hurt them (they never fired the guns they brandished, for example), but were trying to get them off the gas station owner's property.

The whole episode said far, far more about the bigotry of the Top Gear crew than it does about the bigotry of Alabama.

Gavin Burrows said...

While I feel for the people of Alabama for having the Top Gear crew infliced on them, on the plus side it did get the bloody idiots out of the country for a bit.

Andrew Stevens said...

Be careful with that. We have plenty of idiots on television here in the States which we'd be more than happy to send over there.

Gavin Burrows said...

Don't care! Just want to be rid of Top Gear...